I appreciate your comment. It looks like your biggest complaint is the saddle. That supposedly has been improved for 2005. I have also seen more and more aftermarket pieces for the Vegas. Check out www.northstarcustomcycle.com they are doing some pretty crazy stuff to the Victory´s. I have not bit the bullet yet on buying my bike but all my searches bring me back to Victory. I have looked at $30 - 40,000 bikes and they are great but the Victory has the tank, fenders, right side drive, S&S is going to start making performance parts for the engine to make it as scary as you want. Arlen keeps increasing his accessory line...Those are two of the biggest names in customs. I cannot see me spending my money on anything else. Thanks again for your input and insite.